Very long discussion about Religion

17 Jul

BboyNeko: it’s interesting also, you do not wish to discuss religion

RandomGirl: well i dont know anything about fashion, but egh, it was bad.

BboyNeko: why is that?

BboyNeko: i am very fond of discussion religious history

BboyNeko: despite being atheist

RandomGirl: well, basically because a lot of clueless people started thinking that my Jesus shirt meant I was Christian.. and then when i informed them that I wasnt after Christian Love they got all preachy.. and then I just gave up.

BboyNeko: lol

BboyNeko: i am well-armed

BboyNeko: i know more about judeo-christian history than ANY christian

BboyNeko: i know the bible front to back and back to front, and know non cannonical books like book of enoch and gospal of thomas

RandomGirl: I dont know much about religion at all. I’m a little ashamed of it, actually.

BboyNeko: and to top it off, i am extremely well versed in evolutionary biology, especially the phylogeny of placental mammals

BboyNeko: i am a christians worst nightmare

BboyNeko: i know everything they know, and more, and know far more about science

BboyNeko: it’s because I was raised jehovahs witness

RandomGirl: mmm, evolution. that’s what drives me wild.

BboyNeko: so i was unfortunately indoctrinated first hand

BboyNeko: well, it has been said, we are all born atheist

RandomGirl: it’s a wonder you broke free of that

BboyNeko: my mind is naturally inclined toward logic, because of my neurobiological configuration

BboyNeko: that being my belonging in the broad autistic spectrum

BboyNeko: religion is emotional

BboyNeko: i am not

BboyNeko: you’ll find a large percentage of autistic/ asperger individuals are atheist

RandomGirl: I’m not surprised.. I’m pretty cold and calculating myself, and logical and sciencey, but also very emotional. Basically, a wreck.

BboyNeko: lol 😉

BboyNeko: why do you hesitate to call yourself out and out atheist

BboyNeko: your profile tiptoes around it, saying your ar ein between agnostic and atheist

RandomGirl: because i dont want people saying “You cant PROVE it” because i know i cant prove it, i dont care about proving it. so i figure this puts me in a limbo between atheist and agnostic. agthostic, if you will.

BboyNeko: also pardon my pedantic language, it’s how I naturally communicate online.

BboyNeko: here is the thing

BboyNeko: do you believe in santa?

BboyNeko: smurfs?

RandomGirl: who doesn’t?

BboyNeko: keebler elves?

BboyNeko: well, a reasonable person says “keebler elves do not exist”

BboyNeko: if i say, PROVE keebler elves do not exist

BboyNeko: you can not

BboyNeko: all you can do is show evidence that makes it EXTREMELY unlikely keebler elves exist

RandomGirl: they exist in advertising.

BboyNeko: and as such, reasonably, you can matter-of-fact say outright, keebler elves do not exist

BboyNeko: i am talking corporeal existence

BboyNeko: not figurative

BboyNeko: drawing a unicorn does not prove they exist biologically

RandomGirl: i have a hard time saying that they dont exist just because it is unlikley… you cant really prove anything does exist, but it shouldnt be that hard to prove it doesnt.

BboyNeko: therefore, there is nothing unreasonable about saying outright, I do not believe god exists. Just like a reasonable, rational person can say the tooth fairy is not real.

BboyNeko: so why are you Ok with saying ‘I do not believe Smurfs are real’

BboyNeko: yet have a hard time saying god is not real

BboyNeko: both are equally ridiculous

RandomGirl: i dont need anything concrete to tell me that god does or doesnt exist, i am functioning without one.

BboyNeko: my feeling is an agnostic is merely an atheist who has not thought about it enough

BboyNeko: I bet, that if you really sit down and think about it, you will realize you are atheist

RandomGirl: sure, i DO say “I do not believe god exists” but i cant, in good conscience, counter their “you cant prove it”

BboyNeko: agnostic is merely a label created so atheists are not cruficied by fundamentalist theists

BboyNeko: well you are ignoring my point about unicorns and santa and elves and tooth fairies

BboyNeko: ALL can not be PROVEN to not exist

BboyNeko: why then, are people not hesitant to outright say that tooth fairies are made-up

RandomGirl: no, i’m not. I know it cant be proven not to exist, which is why i make it a non-issue by pleading the agnostic “i dont care”

BboyNeko: but are hesitant to say god does not exist, when both ideas are equally ridiculous

BboyNeko: hmm..this just proves my assertion that agnostics are atheist who havent given it enough thought

BboyNeko: unfortunately, in this current fundamentalist christian atmosphere, it is dangerous to lavel yourself atheist

BboyNeko: label

RandomGirl: no, it doesn’t. this is about giving it MORE thought.

BboyNeko: i feel

BboyNeko: many agnostics are scared to say god dosent exist

BboyNeko: because in the back of their mind there is a what if

RandomGirl: I am far too science driven to make a statement like “God does not exist”

BboyNeko: what if hes real and i go to hell

RandomGirl: God may very well exist.

RandomGirl: God does not exist in my life.

BboyNeko: Keebler elves may very well exist

BboyNeko: lol 🙂

RandomGirl: I’m absolutely not a “what if”

BboyNeko: the very basis of agnostic is “what if”

RandomGirl: I’m an “no i cant prove it scientifically and science is my foundation”

BboyNeko: its the belief that he might exist (if)

RandomGirl: no the agnostic basis is “i dont CARE”

RandomGirl: i dont know, dont care.

BboyNeko: meh 😦 i can respect that

BboyNeko: the thing is, with as much as I know about phylogeny, and ontogeny, i can not possibly believe in a god

RandomGirl: it’s dismissive.. I am functionally and Atheist, scientifically an Agnostic.

BboyNeko: when I left my religion, i decided to see what else had been a lie

BboyNeko: i decided to find out if there is a god, no holy book written by man, purported to come from god, can be trusted

BboyNeko: the only thing that can be trusted is biological life

BboyNeko: so i studied biology

RandomGirl: I know i could never have faith in any god.. but i cant say something exists or doesn’t exist unless i can prove it. i can say it’s damn unlikely, or i’ve decided to act as if it does or doesn’t exist, but i cant say 100% either way that i’m right.

BboyNeko: and decided to judge, if the biological processes I studied were designed, or a result of chance and random occurrence

BboyNeko: again, that explanation you gave for god can apply to ANY unprovable human-made idea, which includes unicorns, keebler elves, the boogey man, and fairies

RandomGirl: well i never said that they don’t exist.

BboyNeko: but do you see my point

BboyNeko: that it would be a bit silly to refuse to say that fairies are made up

RandomGirl: they could, but they’re all functionally irrelevant to me.

BboyNeko: or santa

BboyNeko: or keebler elves, simply because we cant prove they DONT exist

BboyNeko: but again, i respect your position that it simply does not matter

BboyNeko: much like the history of the european monarchs dosent matter much to me

RandomGirl: A hell of a lot of people believe in god.. and I really am not comfortable with challenging their faith, just as i dont want my absence of faith to be challenged. I cant stand hypocritic atheists who go around trying to pound their crap into the mouth’s of christians. So if someone really believed in unicorns i’d say “well, i cant prove they dont exist”

BboyNeko: i think you jus dislike confrontation 🙂

RandomGirl: i LOVE confrontation.

BboyNeko: i relish in it

RandomGirl: just not religious confrontation.

BboyNeko: because I enjoy challenging peoples beleifs

RandomGirl: i think it’s pointless.

BboyNeko: because mine were challenged when I was younger, and I am a better person for it

BboyNeko: i disagree

RandomGirl: I’ve been harassed about religion far too many times to start doing it to anyone else. it makes me just as bad as them.

BboyNeko: currently, the bush administration, using christian fundamentalist ideals, pushed laws like “The unborn victims of violence act”

BboyNeko: or banning gay marriage

BboyNeko: it does matter

RandomGirl: that isnt the same thing as challenging faith.

RandomGirl: that’s about injecting faith into political matters

BboyNeko: to me, its like living in a country filled with people who believe lightning is caused by thor, and they pass laws to oppres those who disagree with them

BboyNeko: and pass laws to teach to school children that thor causes lightning

BboyNeko: my point is, if we allow people to hold on to these beleifs, UNCHALLENGED, they become emboldened

BboyNeko: and begin to pass these laws

RandomGirl: I think faith is something helpful for a lot of people. I dont personally know how someone could believe in stuff like that, but I’d never begrudge someone their faith. It serves a purpose for them.

BboyNeko: that’s the thing

BboyNeko: if someone chooses to believe that disease is caused by demons

BboyNeko: so be it

BboyNeko: but their faith steps on my toes if they begin to deny me medical care because the only way to cure a cold is sacrificing my cat to the cold demons

BboyNeko: that’s what is occurring right now, they are making schools teach “intelligent design”

RandomGirl: Well I’m talking abotu some stupid Joe off the street who I’m talking to about religion.. Not policy makers.. and if I went to a policy maker I wouldnt use Atheism as my reason why abortion should be legal or gays should be allowed to marry.

BboyNeko: they are not allowing the morning after pill to be given over the counter despite overwhelming FDA recommendation to allow it, because their Christian morals dictate this is tantamount to murder

BboyNeko: again my underlying point is that, complacity, and indifference to Christians emboldens them, makes them feel their belief that the morning after pill is murder is a just belief, and so they pass laws

BboyNeko: but your different than me in that religion is not something you’ve studied, so even if you wanted to challenge christians you have no ammo

RandomGirl: it’s not indifference. i will fight tooth and nail for what i believe i am entitled to or others should be entitled to (i.e. abortion, birth control, freedom of religion, speech, gay marriage, etc etc etc etc).

RandomGirl: but i will not tell some chiristian that god doesn’t exist.

BboyNeko: but do you agree that if more Christians doubt their beliefs, then there is less support for such laws that are based on fundamentalist Christian morality?

RandomGirl: just for that person’s personal “enlightenment”

RandomGirl: I dont think that my telling some christian that would EVER cause them to doubt their beliefs.

RandomGirl: Does a christian telling you there IS a god make you doubt yours? No.

BboyNeko: i don’t hold the position that anyone’es beleifs, no matter how ridiculous, should be respected

BboyNeko: i have a right to poke holes in it

BboyNeko: anyway, Christians don’t stand a chance against me 😉

RandomGirl: i don’t want people poking holes in mine, so i decided not to poke holes in theirs. I think it turns ME into some stupid christian to do the same to them.

BboyNeko: not at all

BboyNeko: i openly enjoy anyone attempting to challenge my atheism for example

RandomGirl: yes, it does. attacking peoples’ beliefs is the same thing no matter which way it goes.

BboyNeko: i can defend my position intelligently and with outside references

BboyNeko: not at all, attacking beliefs is not wrong, in science if I publish a paper saying that i feel that disease is caused by bubble gum

BboyNeko: it is published in a science journal, and all the other scientists try and find holes in my thesis

BboyNeko: its how we arrive at truth

BboyNeko: we allow others to challenge

RandomGirl: i’m not saying it’s wrong, i’m saying it’s offensive. religion is a very personal thing to a lot of people, and mine is personal to me.

RandomGirl: religion is not for the advancement of knowledge.

BboyNeko: greed but as I stated previously

RandomGirl: science is.

BboyNeko: they don’t allow it to remain personal

BboyNeko: they pass laws, regulations, and agendas based on their religion

BboyNeko: that directly affects me

RandomGirl: i dont do it to them just because they do it to me, that would make me a child.

BboyNeko: religion, i argue, is counter to progress

BboyNeko: it often despises and distrusts science

RandomGirl: well, progress in the direction YOU want it.

BboyNeko: and impedes its progress

BboyNeko: the bush administrations blocking of stem cell research being a prime example

RandomGirl: there are just two different (or more) ideas of progress.

BboyNeko: progress is technologies and scientific advancements that create a higher quality of life for humanity

BboyNeko: better health, longer life, etc

RandomGirl: and some people think the moral progress that is part of christianity will give a higher quality of life.

RandomGirl: i don’t think there is anything wrong with people having different value systems. if someone’s includes religion then that’s fine with me.

BboyNeko: another saying I adhere to is “silence is agreement”. If I take a kitten in front of you and break its neck, and you say nothing..you essentially agreed with my action even if personally, you despised the action

RandomGirl: i will fight for my freedoms and the rights i believe i should have, but i will not fight to change someone’s religious faith.

BboyNeko: I will 🙂

BboyNeko: what i do is essentially, cast doubt

BboyNeko: into their belief system

BboyNeko: i was once extremely religious

BboyNeko: bible thumper

RandomGirl: i think you over estimate yourself.

BboyNeko: saying gay people deserve aids

RandomGirl: i dont think you’re casting doubt.

RandomGirl: i think you’re spreading hate.

RandomGirl: religious intolerance is a beast that wears many costumes.

BboyNeko: i think you underestimate me, you by your own admission, have little knowledge of religion, and especially judeo christian history and theology, despite living in a nation largely governed by those who subscribe to such faith

BboyNeko: hate is passing laws to ban gays

BboyNeko: hate is bombing abortion clinics

RandomGirl: I dont need to know Bible verse to know enough about religion to make a valid argument in this case.

BboyNeko: hate is saying that atheists should not be citizens of the US (as bushses father said)

RandomGirl: and i think that you’re PROMOTING that hate.

BboyNeko: hate is demonizing women who choose to have abortions

RandomGirl: you’re trying to tell them their faith is wrong, so they will fight you.

RandomGirl: it’s the same concept.

BboyNeko: all I want is religion to remain personal

BboyNeko: and stay out of law

RandomGirl: well that’s not what you’re doing.

BboyNeko: i dont say, that they should die

RandomGirl: that’s what I want

BboyNeko: or burn in hell

RandomGirl: and I do about it by NOT telling people their faith is wrong.

BboyNeko: then they believe its right

BboyNeko: and pass laws to reflect that

RandomGirl: it IS right, for them.

BboyNeko: they think gee, no one challenges my faith

BboyNeko: so it must be right

BboyNeko: and next thing you know abortion is illegal

BboyNeko: yes but then they pass laws that FORCE it on everyone

RandomGirl: christians are not wrong. they are christians. it is a system that works for them.

BboyNeko: so they are not wrong that god hates homosexuals?

RandomGirl: i dont think there is one right religion.

BboyNeko: that they will go to hell?

BboyNeko: they are not wrong that all jews will go to hell?

BboyNeko: they are not wrong that earth was created only 6,000 years ago?

RandomGirl: i’m saying it’s not wrong for them to be christians.

BboyNeko: no, but again, i dont want that christian faith

BboyNeko: to be in the law

RandomGirl: it doesnt make them stupid or bad people. it makes them christian. and it is a successful strategy for them.

BboyNeko: and it already is

RandomGirl: well making them militant isnt the way to get it out.

RandomGirl: by threatening them they want to hold you tighter.

RandomGirl: they want to make MORE laws.

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23 Responses to “Very long discussion about Religion”

  1. airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 6:36 pm #

    no offense but, i think that the random girl is absolutely right and completely won the argument.
    you really came off looking really head-strong there and acted like you know everything! dude. don’t you understand that you’re doing *exactly* what the bible-thumping christians do to you? I am exactly like you in a lot of ways. I was raised into the Catholic church, realized that it wasn’t anything thing near what I thought “Truth” to be, and went on to study any and all types of religion and science to try and find truth.
    the basic thing you’re not accounting for is bias.
    you, my friend, are extremely biased.
    you can read every book ever written and study every science… but if you don’t go into it with an open mind and realize that you actually have no idea about the world, then you are simply just as bad as “them”.
    you also assume that all christians are sheep who follow blindly and aren’t as educated as you. while this is obviously true most of the time, there are people who have studied this for decades and still find themselves having faith.
    the point is – you can not find faith in books, knowledge, or study. everything *might* be random and everything might *NOT* be random. there is absolutely NOTHING you can say that will prove one way or another through science that there is no God or that there *is* God. if someone chooses to believe in one, it’s no more silly than you NOT believing in one. You really need to understand that.
    You can’t condem people for having faith just because you know a few stupid people

    • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 6:49 pm #

      Let’s replace ‘christianity’ with ‘belief in the tooth fairy’:
      no offense but, i think that the random girl is absolutely right and completely won the argument.
      you really came off looking really head-strong there and acted like you know everything! dude. don’t you understand that you’re doing *exactly* what the people who believe in Tooth Fairies do to you? I am exactly like you in a lot of ways. I was raised believing in the Tooth Fairy, realized that it wasn’t anything thing near what I thought “Truth” to be, and went on to study any and all types of fairies and science to try and find truth.
      the basic thing you’re not accounting for is bias.
      you, my friend, are extremely biased.
      you can read every book ever written and study every science… but if you don’t go into it with an open mind and realize that you actually have no idea about the whether or not Tooth fairies exist, then you are simply just as bad as “them”.
      you also assume that all people who believe in the Tooth Fairy are sheep who follow blindly and aren’t as educated as you. while this is obviously true most of the time, there are people who have studied this for decades and still find themselves having faith in Tooth Fairies.
      the point is – you can not find faith in books, knowledge, or study. everything *might* be random and everything might *NOT* be random. there is absolutely NOTHING you can say that will prove one way or another through science that there is no tooth Fairy or that there *is* Ga tooth Fairy. if someone chooses to believe in one, it’s no more silly than you NOT believing in one. You really need to understand that.
      You can’t condem people for having beleif in the Tooth Fairy just because you know a few stupid people
      Let’s not forget that Faith is belief without proof, and often belief DESPITE proof. That makes it an undeucated, and irrational thing to have.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 6:59 pm #

        Although you seem to think so, the Tooth Fairy and God really have nothing to do with each other. And just because you make something out to look ridiculous, it doesn’t mean you’ve won the argument.
        On the surface, you see two concepts that you think are man-made. We get it.
        But, the thing is. You can absolutely prove without a shadow of a doubt that the tooth fairy *doesn’t* come when you put your child’s tooth under the bed. You’re the one who put the dollar there. What you *can’t* do is prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we’re not here for some cosmic purpose. You can’t prove that life on earth is random or planned. It’s just simply not possible.
        The concept of God transcends the laws of biology of physics – don’t you get that? The concept is that we are given “truths” like physics, gravity, and time to live on this world by. The concept of God exists outside of this world. Since we know NOTHING of what exists outside of this world, we ALL (even you, who thinks he knows SO much) know ABSOLUTELY nothing. That is the only truth.
        It takes just as much faith to believe other people truly exist as it does to believe in God.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 7:07 pm #

        Explain why God is any less ridiculous than an invisible pink flying unicorn, tooth fairies, keebler eleves or Santa.
        You can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that Gravity is caused by invisible pink unicorns.
        You can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that we were put on earth to knit doilies.
        You can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that Thor is not real.
        You can not prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that smurfs (which are invisible) cause disease. Sure, science THINKS they know that it is caused by genetic flaws and bacteria/gemrs etc, but that is merely how the smurfs disguise themselves.
        The concept of invisible pink flying Unicorns transcends the laws of biology of physics !! Don’t you get that?

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 7:18 pm #

        Well, first of all… you aren’t arguing back. You’re just repeating the same thing over again – which makes me think that you really have nothing of actual importance to say, you’re just using ridiculous examples that everyone will laugh at instead of making a sound point.
        God is different than invisible pink flying unicorns because, although both are “concepts” and could possibly be considered “physically imaginary” – The concept of God stands for our entire existance’s purpose. The only similaritiy between unicorns and the christian God is that you can’t see either of them and you can’t prove they exist. Also, you can research horses on earth and understand that a species with horns never existed and that pink is not a naturally occuring color of horse. So all of these things you’ve said… unicorns, fairies, smurfs… all of these things can be proven “imaginary” because they do not fit into our world and our laws of natural selection, evolution, and logic.
        But, the concept of God is insanely different. People believe he *created* everything. That’s the ultimate trump card. And it’s that reason that you can never prove that there is or isn’t a God just like you can’t prove that *we* aren’t Gods. Just like you can’t prove like I’m not the one who created this whole universe in my head. It just can’t be done. 🙂

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 7:27 pm #

        You assign greater importance to God than to Invisible Pink Unicorns, despite both being beyond physics, unprovable, and ‘greater than ourselves’.
        also, which God? What if Thor is the right God? What if God is actually evil and rewards us only for evil actions and not good? What if the scientogists are right?
        you say
        The concept of God stands for our entire existance’s purpose.
        So does the concept of Invsicible pink unicorns, who exist in another dimension, who put us on earth to eat cheesey poofs and to grow very long bushy mullets.
        I am rational. If someone says ‘today i saw a squirrel’, despite them presenting no proof of this, I believe them because it is not too far outside the scope of observed evidence to belive this on faith (belief wihout proof)
        If that someone else says ‘today i talked to a giant flying pig head who called himself Porkzor, he said that he put us on earth to own poodles and dye them pink. In order to receive the everlasting reward of porkzor heaven, we must do as he says’ it would then be, completley irrational for me to believe this without evidence.
        Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Everything about biological life dictates lack of intelligent guidance. (flightless birds, vestigial nipples on males, the vomeronasal organ in humans, the vestigial rear legs present in whales)
        You also said:
        But, the concept of God is insanely different. People believe he *created* everything. That’s the ultimate trump card. And it’s that reason that you can never prove that there is or isn’t a God just like you can’t prove that *we* aren’t Gods. Just like you can’t prove like I’m not the one who created this whole universe in my head. It just can’t be done.
        yes, wonderful, unprovable concepts like invisible pink unicorns can not be disproven. Wonderful, great. Does that mean we then, have to behave as though it’s real? You can no more disporve my story about Porkzor than I can that God created Adam and Eve, and then deluged the earth, and hid the geological evidence from modern science so that it seems as if no flood has ever covered the entire earth (no doubt, to test our faith) and then refuses to talk to us or answer prayers again, as a test off faith.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 7:42 pm #

        Pink Unicorns and Adam and Eve can both be disproven. If you choose to believe that something named Porkzor as your savior, you have every right in this country to believe it without oppression.
        The fact that you won’t even try to wrap your mind around this discussion and keep bringing up “imaginary” things to try and make the point that God is “imaginary” is just silly. It’s just like in the movies when villians are instantly compared to/are made to look like Hitler. Hitler killed over 12 million people, he didn’t just steal some woman’s purse. Dig?
        God is not an imaginary thing. “God” is imaginary in the fact that no one has ever “experienced” God with the five senses we have to “experience” things with. But, some people say they experience God when they see a beautiful sunset or climb to the top of a mountain. And who’s to say they don’t? If we, as humans, don’t have the capacity to fully understand anything except for what our five senses tell us, we don’t have the ability to find true knowledge. There *is* no truth.
        The thing you’re missing is that, on some levels, the concept of God actually *is* logical. If you study nature and look at how amazingly UN-random it is, you start to feel that things have a purpose. Things ARE the way they are for a reason. Things fit together and evolve. Some people saw this engineering and SCIENTIFICALLY DEDUCED that we must be on earth to fulfill some type of purpose ourselves. *THAT* is faith in God. It doesn’t matter if you call him Thor, Pink Unicorn, or Porkzor. The idea of God stems from the idea that we are alive for a reason. The only other option is that everything is completely random.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 8:06 pm #

        The thing you’re missing is that, on some levels, the concept of God actually *is* logical. If you study nature and look at how amazingly UN-random it is, you start to feel that things have a purpose. Things ARE the way they are for a reason. Things fit together and evolve. Some people saw this engineering and SCIENTIFICALLY DEDUCED that we must be on earth to fulfill some type of purpose ourselves. *THAT* is faith in God. It doesn’t matter if you call him Thor, Pink Unicorn, or Porkzor. The idea of God stems from the idea that we are alive for a reason. The only other option is that everything is completely random.
        That is the thing you are also missing. I have DEEPLY studied biology, ontogeny and Phylogeny. I found that there is NO evidence of intelligent guidance to any biologcial organism.
        You ignored my example of rear legs in whales. Why would an “intelligent” designer place 100% useless rear legs in whales? Why would he see fit to place a useless vomeronasal organ in Humans? Nipples in males? Flightless birds?
        Also, even if you did find evidence of intelligent design (something the scientific community, HAS NOT) what evidence is there it was done so by God? Thats an extremely broad, unlogical concluison. It could have been made by Aliens, by a robot from the far future, etc.
        It is merely a ‘god of the gaps’ argument. That being, ‘if we can’t explain it GOD MADE IT!’
        This is the same ‘logic’ used by the ancients who thought the Moon was God (because at the time, it was beyond explanation) or that lightning was God, or that cancer was demons or epilipsy was satan.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 8:20 pm #

        There are a million reasons why there may be useless organs/rear legs/body parts in animals – small little imperfections that haven’t evolved out yet. But, that doesn’t completely negate every HUGE, MAJOR, COMPLETELY OBVIOUS instance of the earth making perfect sense in an unrandom way. Seriously. You can list a million and 1/2 seemingly useless things and they completely won’t add up to the general feeling of “one-ness” (corny!) the earth has.
        That feeling doesn’t go un-noticed and people, obviously, look to things they can’t see or experience to fill in where logic laps. Sure, you can call it a God of the Gaps argument, but can YOU think of anything better?
        God was created to explain things we can’t explain. We still can’t explain how we got here. We still can’t explain our purpose. So God’s still around. 🙂
        Which, in my opinion, is perfectly legitimate and logical.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 7:32 pm #

        . unicorns, fairies, smurfs… all of these things can be proven “imaginary” because they do not fit into our world and our laws of natural selection, evolution, and logic.
        lol you went from saying ‘god is beyond science and physics!! dont you realize that!’ to now saying that fairies and the like can not exist because they do not fit into science. lol. Inivisble Pink Unicorns, since they are ‘beyond physics, biology’ and the like can not be disproven by science, because they ar eebyond science. Same as your God.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 7:44 pm #

        it’s the same thing. faeries and smurfs have no meaning to us except in this world. if they don’t fit into physics, that means that they absolutely don’t exist. but, if God doesn’t fit into physics, that’s no surprize there. Duh.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 8:07 pm #

        Invisible pink unicorns are beyond physics. Don’t you realize that?

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 8:14 pm #

        invisible pink unicorns never claimed to create existence.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 8:18 pm #

        invisible pink unicorns never claimed to create existence.
        says who? Where, besides the bible, a book written by man, does it say god created anything? Show me a taperecording of God claiming to create the universe. Video recording.
        All you can show me is BOOKS written BY MAN. These same books talk about donkeys who can speak, snakes who speak, a global deluge that covered the world (despite there being NO geological evidence to support the idea that the earth was ever completley covered by water)
        Your faith comes from 2,000 year old books, books that describe epileptic men as being ‘demon posessed’. Books that say for some bizarre reason, God commanded his people to ritually mutilate the genitals of their newborn babies.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 8:22 pm #

        No one’s faith comes from books. Religion comes from books. Lifestyles come from books. People conform.This is NOT what I’m arguing.
        No one believes that god is a pink unicorn. You’re just saying it to make a ridiculous comment. Come off it and give me something good to argue with.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 8:41 pm #

        Explain how christianity gets it’s belief in Jesus without books. The gospel is oldest written work that mentions Jesus. Without the gospel, there would be no faith in Jesus because his story was not recorded anywhere else.

      • airplane_stars July 17, 2006 at 8:52 pm #

        I’m absolutely not arguing about religion. I’m arguing about belief in God. Jesus was a person. I’m talking about the concept of having faith in a God you can’t see.

      • bboyneko July 17, 2006 at 7:08 pm #

        It takes just as much faith to believe other people truly exist as it does to believe in invisible pink flying unicorns.

  2. troh23 July 17, 2006 at 6:53 pm #

    god bless the heretics.

  3. son_of_ottie July 17, 2006 at 7:35 pm #

    Yer a-goin’ ta HAY-ULL!!
    Yeah, see I don’t care what someone else believes or doesn’t believe. In this country I am ASSURED by the CONSTITUTION that my private affairs are private and not to be messed with if they don’t hurt anyone else.
    I am not a fan of ANY Christians right now because it seems they don’t speak out against the fundies—which is EXACTLY what we urge the Muslims to do in the Middle-East and Asia.
    Once upon a time Zeus was the shit.
    It’s all manufatured by man to explain the unexplainable but MOREOVER to control the masses via non-governmental means.

  4. ermamo July 22, 2006 at 3:04 am #

    Don’t forget that there are different cultures that have different definitions of the word god. It doesn’t have to be one entity (specifically the Christian God).
    btw, In my experience, every Christian I have ever met is a hypocrite.

    • bboyneko July 22, 2006 at 3:10 am #

      i say we fornicat as a form of protest

      • ermamo July 23, 2006 at 3:20 pm #

        Hell yeah!

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